How the fuck is it not justified? When we are dealing with terrorists, scum, and criminals fuck ya you can torture them if they dont talk and give information, I think we should do it more and let it be known to put fear in those cock suckers.

 

The problem is how you define torture. Is sleep deprivation torture? Are light rations torture? If a prisoner is confined to his cell for seven days, is that torture?

Thumbscrews and iron maidens can not be found inside US prisons. There are few, if any, cases where a US officer, acting under orders, shot a prisoner in thehead or beheaded him.

The are apples and there are oranges, both are called fruit, one is completely different that the other.

So your last sentence can be taken to mean, if a warden decides to put a prisoner in solitary confinement for a week, he is just as guilty as the terrorist who beheaded a journalist.

 

Then we'll be no better than they are.

Terrorist - One who uses terror (fear) with the intent of getting a specific response from a group.

One doesn't even have to kill anybody to do that. Just look at Fox News. (Most news sources do the same, but it's especially true of Fox.)

It's like using a cattle prod to get cattle to go where you want them to go... Like, the same kind of power/response mentality, I mean.

So, by definition, anyone who uses torture like that IS a terrorist.

 

Thats a fuckin stupid definition. We can capture terrorists and torture them until they tell us where the others are. That helps us completely. Why the fuck wouldn't we do it more? Fuck bein politically correct when it comes to the safety of our country.

 

If there's one thing our war on terror has proven it is anything can be justified. And the contradiction and hypocrisy involved here is that it somehow comes down to how we define water boarding when in reality George Bush and his administration had prisoners shipped all over the world where they were subjected to torture up to and including killing them.

Yeah, well you know, the argument goes, if it saves American lives then its justified.

Ok, let's accept that argument for a moment and ask at what price? And the price is it makes no better than those we wish to condemn. That's actually more than we should be willing to pay.

 

Torture is inhuman, why we would kill or maim our own race makes no logical sense. We'd be colonizing other planets by now if our race knew anything of working together and knew how to maintain a code of honor.

 

Well we cant because we are dealing with dipshits who believe in a false religion and kill others over it, and if these people are a threat to us, then we should continue to torture them to get ANY information we need.

 

Yep it is false because the great imbecile CH4 said so.
I'd say read a history book but doubt that you understand anything above "See Dick run. Run Dick, run."
Christians did the same thing, around about the same time in their history to other religions and even to Christians that disbelieved the way they did. Think Crusades, Catholic-Protestant Wars, etc.
Do us all a favour just read don't post and let the adults enjoy our discourse.

 

Uh ya its false. See religion was made by men with small penises who were afraid of society and couldn't fit in naturally, so they made up a myth for others to believe. And whats a history book going to prove? Theres like 30versions of the bible and none of them make sense, and the Koran is a joke, how can a religion preach love and togetherness yet the people that practice mutilate women's genitals and bury them in sand and throw rocks at their heads. Ya that sounds like Gods plan to me. Its fuckin pathetic.

 

You sound just like a Fanatical Imam or Priest calling the faithful to a Holy war.

You yourself have condoned violence against people of a different ethnic group, different nationality, differing opinion.

How are you different than those who call for Jihad or a Great Crusade?

 

Ya I sound like a dumb fuck who wants to kill in the name of God, your such an idiot man.

I have condoned violence only against those who deserve it, and the difference is those people Kill in the name of something that doesn't exist, I condone it when it is deserved.

 

Funny how whenever the Bush Administration attempted to revise history, you adopted the revision too. Your redefinition of what constitutes torture bears no resemblance to the historical definition, the one contained in treaties to which the U.S. is a signatory.

 

Translation: the end justifies the means.

You might adopt a different view if you were the one being tortured.

 

Whether the information thus obtained is factual or not, right?

 

And you wish to kill in the name of an ideal. A belief. A faith.

Again I ask, how are you different than those condoning violence against others in the name of a belief?

 

Sure torture can be justified, however that still doesn't necessarily make it just.
Same way something can be valuable without having any real value.

 

In YOUR case, yes!

 

Agree with the above

I asked myself the same question but you know what the same and worse has happened and happening to British, US so u know what fuck em that dosent mean I agree with fight fire with fire but you know what if the info saved lifes then well done bush. I am not bias either because I think G.W Bush is the biggest prick there is.

 

Where is the evidence that it saved any lives?

 

A glimpse into Pink Floyd

There is no pain you are receding

A distant ship smoke on the horizon

You are only coming through in waves

Your lips move but I can't hear what you're saying

When I was a child, I caught a fleeting glimpse out of the corner of my eye

I turned to look but it was gone

I cannot put my finger on it now, but the child is grown

The dream is gone, and I have become comfortably numb