Used Tesla prices tumble as embarrassed owners look to sell
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So you only ever consider your own benefit in any choice you make. That’s as egotistical as one can get. Consequences of your actions to other people? You don’t give a fuck.
Well, that’s just despicable.
Also, by trying to be the most clever you reveal yourself as not being that at all.
Because you misunderstand: Owners of a Tesla have the burden but also the opportunity of hurting and diminishing Elon. Simply by selling their Teslas, by voicing disgust and disapproval. And thus it’s not virtue signalling. It’s political activism. And it’s brave and beautiful and gorgeous.
The opposite to your stance.
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Yep, Rivian has their commercial van business which I wish they'd talk a bit more about as it'd give more of a sense of their overall stability. I did measure my garage for an R1S and it's just less than a foot of total margin front to back, those suckers are big. An R2 would make more sense... in 2026 or whenever they hit the market.
As to the traditional automakers, you're right that Hyundai/Kia seems to be out front. BMW and Porsche are making good second-ish gen products with Mercedes nearly there with their second gen. BMW's third gen EVs may be 2026 models. Stellantis I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. GM seems to be on a good roll making good EVs, even if the best one's rebadged as a Honda. Ford seems to be a couple years away from their next EV cycle. Overall it's a weird time in the EV landscape for sure. Tariffs, rebates, etc are likely to shuffle the deck on price as well.
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I wonder if there's a cottage industry for folks like you making bumper stickers saying things like,
"I bought this POS before Musk turned into a Nazi"
"I'd repent for my Tesla but I can't afford a new brand until this POS is paid off."
"I swear, this is a loaner while my car is in the shop!"
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Yup, it was also different to mainstream design at the time and a very successful marketing campaign cemented it as part of the ‘counter culture’
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LordSlinkySupreme
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I went with my coworker earlier this week to test drive a BMW i4 as he'd like to ditch his 2023 Model 3 after Elon went around throwing "Roman" salutes. Six months ago, his car was worth $30K. The dealer offered him $14K, CarMax offered him $20K. Resale has absolutely tanked.
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Unfortunately for Tesla workers and current Tesla owners, I think there is a better chance of the sun growing nova than of Elon getting the boot from Tesla.
It's a pity, because Tesla was a groundbreaker in bringing EVs to market,and Tesla is a great name for an EV company!
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There is already one out there doing exactly what you are suggesting.
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Well the person I was responding to was making a joke of an argument often brought up against Teslas that they are computers and they could be used to track you.
I was pointing out just how many vehicles have telematics units which are literally for tracking you.
And you're right, classic cars aside, the number of computer controlled vehicles on the road is near 100%.
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Hitchhiker’s guide to the galaxy???
Oh, never mind.
Addition, quote from the book:
“After a fairly shaky start to the day, Arthur's mind was beginning to reassemble itself from the shell-shocked fragments the previous day had left him with.
He had found a Nutri-Matic machine which had provided him with a plastic cup filled with a liquid that was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.”
Reading Douglas Adam’s is never to late.
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Computer controlled isn't even the problem strictly speaking. It's cars that can now constantly phone home to spy on you with no way to disable it that are the problem. My 2008 Elantra has an ECS and computer management, though it is old enough that the takeover was not complete with an analog dash and mechanical blinker relay, but that computer isn't spying on me and sending data about my whereabouts to Hyundai
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The word for that computer is telematics unit.
"Tele" as in telephone and "-matics" from the Greek word "mathema", meaning "science," "knowledge," or "learning."
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Do not agree with you here. Driving a Tesla, like any car, or wearing any brand name product, you're marketing the product publicly.
Secondly, you're more likely to use a tesla super charging station, subscribe to services they make like self driving FSD, and buy parts to repair it during the time you own it. All of that adds money to his pocket book.
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"Bought it before we knew Elon was crazy" has been a very popular sticker for a solid couple of years now, I see them all the time.
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If you want to sell your Tesla do it on the White House lawn. Cool people will just drive em into federal buildings and put a for sale sign. Everyone knows only those driving Teslas will survive the federal purges, that and doing the salute. Make sure to post it to X or your fired...
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Yes. I'm "marketing" it, as something built by a criminal, which I wish I hadn't purchased. And if I sell it, its new owner will be doing the marketing you're describing, to wit, positioning it as a valued purchase they are happy to have made.
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Years ago I test drove a Model 3. That was when the Muskrat's antics were mildly amusing instead of disturbing. The build quality concerns kept me from pulling the trigger on it. A few years later I got my Ioniq 5 and am more and more grateful for that decision every day.
And honestly, I think Hyundai's EV technology has passed Tesla's by anyway. Even the newer ones that have the Tesla style plug charge faster on a non-Tesla charger.
I'm grateful that the company gave EVs a boost in the early years but until they toss Elon to the curb they can fuck right off.
And honestly, I think Hyundai's EV technology has passed Tesla's by anyway. Even the newer ones that have the Tesla style plug charge faster on a non-Tesla charger.
I'm grateful that the company gave EVs a boost in the early years but until they toss Elon to the curb they can fuck right off.
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Haha I assumed it was for them not their teen…
Reasoning
Now that the children have left now is the time to get nice things the teens won’t drive, damage or otherwise put their teenage smell on…
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So like, clearly Ars didn't even watch the 26 second long "I am SELLING my TESLA because of Elon Musk!!" YouTube video by Vegas Tesla Family. He's trolling. He says in the video he's selling because he wants to upgrade to another Tesla model and because "Elon keeps getting better and better." You should really remove the mention from this article; it's the opposite of the point you're trying to make.
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It sounded like they were concerned about the prices of used cars spiking (due to tariffs) except for teslas (crashing due to Musk) meaning the only affordable used car to get a college bound teen would be a tesla.
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I do think we need to keep this in mind, and not be presumptuous when we see a Tesla in the wild. For many people, simply getting rid of their car isn't such a quick and easy thing to do. Especially a car that more than likely cost them north of $40k. We're not talking about eating a couple grand because their used Chevy Equinox blew a motor and now they're going to find another used car for under $10k.
At the rate many Tesla owners probably paid (and are still paying) for it, it could put them pretty far underwater right now to try and get out of it.
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Precisely.
Also, with the USA worshipping capitalism like no other, I find it rather amusing how the understanding of these basic mechanisms of a free market elude those of its citizens probably most attached to said ideology.
Baffling, really.
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I will absolutely judge anyone driving a facelifted Y, or 3 or anyone in a Cyberdork. All of those buyers had ample warning that Musk was a minimum a fascist sympathizing racist sexist egomaniac at a minimum, and anyone in a facelift Y when it rolls out outright knows that he's a Nazi that bought the position of shadow dictator and has actively sabotaged our society and government
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Decisions have consequences, purchases have consequences, large purchases have larger consequences. Ignoring evil consequences of your actions is disingenuous, selfish, and immoral
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The Model 3 is about where I have my own line. That one I personally won't be presumptive toward the owners of. It came out in 2017, and at that time, much of Elon Musk's proclivities still weren't really widely known to the general public.
The Cybertruck though, I'm with you on. By 2023, anyone who was paying even the slightest bit of attention definitely should have had a good idea who he was and what he was about.
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Recycled battery packs from worthless Teslas could serve the world much better in the energy storage arena.
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Every choice we make has a consequence. Sufficient distance sometimes reduces culpability in those consequences but when they're this blatantly supporting a pair of fascist leaders then the decision to purchase directly and materially benefits them and their evil. No purchase can be totally disentangled from potential downstream cooperation with evil, but material cooperation with evil as a direct intent or direct consequence is immoral, of story. Anything less is self-consolation via moral relativism
You mock small actions as somehow insignificant and therefore free of moral culpability. But if people can't make moral stands on easy small decisions how can they on large impactful ones? That relativist rot is at the core of our troubles in the modern world, comfort convenience and ease of access above all else, morals be damned. It's all about what you want/demand to be "happy" or "comfortable" and whatever it takes to get that is justified by that comfort. It's moral rot and decay
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Looking more and more like that, with the effects stretching out to the whole world when Trump and Co. take down the global economy.
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Yes, they are. It involves a patent pending, secret formulation of a new combustible, stored in a glass container for storage, with a textiles industry product sealing the container. Matches not included.
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Though the facelift 3 also came out in 2023, after the purchase of Twitter and by which point it was utterly clear that Musk was a right wing fascist asshat and an utterly toxic human being in general. So while I give more leeway to the pre facelift, post facelift is absolutely in my crosshairs
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You have to admit he would make a great nazi bobble head though
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