Musk has now sold $15.4 billion worth of TSLA shares since agreeing to buy Twitter.
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Elon Musk cashes in $6.9 billion of Tesla stock, just in case
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Which is why the raid at Mar-a-lago is so important. A guilty verdict can ban him from holding office
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I know this is just a run-of-the-mill Arshole murder-fanasy, but arresting and executing political opponents is generally viewed poorly in the US (as well as the rest of the civilized world). It probably won't have the positive effect that you're dreaming of.
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All those billions of cash came from other people as he sold, so no net money was created.
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"mostly bad news"? In the past two weeks of Biden's presidency:
- inflation going down
- job numbers going up
- death of Ayman al-Zawahri
- passage of inflation reduction act (deficit reduction, green tax credits, 15% min tax on corporations, cheap drugs for seniors)
- passage of CHIPs act (American IC factories)
- veteran's health bill
Historians are now saying that Biden is the most productive president in his first two years in office since Clinton and Reagan.
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Was there more than one filing? The linked Form 4 only shows him selling 19,775 shares. If he sold $6.9 billion, that's more like around 8 million shares. I'm assuming that he sold them over multiple days, which would mean multiple Form 4s. Average volume of Tesla shares traded each day is about 30 million. So a dump of 8 million all at once would have been noticed.
Also, this doesn't necessarily indicate he's getting ready to buy Twitter. He could just as easily be liquidating to pay for a settlement where he walks away.
Also, this doesn't necessarily indicate he's getting ready to buy Twitter. He could just as easily be liquidating to pay for a settlement where he walks away.
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For starters, I agree with you.
It's viewed poorly because it generally doesn't work. It's an actual joke, although I left my /s off in haste. If you read back in my posting history, you'll note that I'm generally against revolutions. Statistically, the outcome is a dictatorship of some sort. Democracy is a rare and fragile thing, and requires constant work to maintain.
We should probably try to keep everything together, because it'd be nice to skip WWIII and get some backup humans going on other planets, maybe some space mining...
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And, to absolutely no one's surprise, Trump pleaded the Fifth today when he was in front of the NY grand jury.
"If you're innocent, why are you taking the Fifth?"
-- Donald J. Trump
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I don't know where you're getting this information, but the U.S. Constitution does not prevent a felon from running for the office of the President or from being elected.
Please cite where you're getting the information that a felon is barred from holding the office of President.
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I'm not holding my breath waiting for that conviction. Has Trump ever been held accountable for anything he's done at any point in his life? You might think so if you listen to his interminable whining about being treated "unfairly" but in reality life has given him a pass on everything. I'm not expecting that to change, as much as I would like to see it.
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How many EC votes did Biden get vs Trump's total?
I personally don't think he'll run since he'd have to start accounting for all the money he's taken in for his fake campaign (under campaign finance rules) the minute he officially files.
On top of that he'll probably be facing criminal prosecution due to things around the Jan. 6 stuff and this business of absconding with Classified documents that the DOJ just raided his home for. Garland is serious about this stuff and I guarantee that he wants to get Trump.
Ironically Trump signed the changes that made this a felony conviction with a longer sentencing guideline (up to 5 years) because he wanted to get Hillary a few years ago.
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The question will be if the senate starts interfering. I can't believe some of the republicans are openly making threats, when they win the midterms (I really hope not)
I don't think even Nixon stooped to such lows during his presidency.
Any regular person downloads any classified doc to their laptop & they get into trouble.
These clowns took them off-site & flushed them down a toilet.
For the sake of the country, it would be good to bar him from ever running for any office again.
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He lost by 7 million votes and yet came within 70,000 votes of winning. That's the American voting system for ya. And the repubs have been working hard at tilting the field even further in their favor.
Remember, even when Trump won in 2016, he lost the popular vote by 3 million, and Bush II lost the popular vote as well in 2000. The only time a Republican presidential candidate won the popular vote in this century was when Bush II got re-elected in 2004, and yet they've won the White House three times. And R's have similar systemic advantages in House and Senate.
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I am guessing that they're thinking of the 14th amendment, as some of the most serious crimes he's committed would bar him from serving in any federal office, without congress voting to allow them to serve.
So this is relevant to some of the felony investigations going on, but not all the felony investigations. You know most people you don't get this confused on because they don't have this many different criminal investigations going on against them at the same time.
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He said it's in case he has to buy Twitter and to prevent a fire sale that would drive the stock price down. Check the Guardian report on it, IIRC.
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Normally that's true, but nobody at all in the entire history of this country has ever been as viciously persecuted as poor ol' Donny T. He has no choice but to take the Fifth because of all of those deep state antifa people.
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What may happen is that, there may be a financial tie-in with Deutsche Bank, that was fined for money laundering & ties with the Russian mob (There was a whole podcast on this a couple of years ago)
They were the only bank that would finance Trump & this may have allowed the Russians to gain leverage in an indirect way
If any classified docs were off-site & viewed by foreign agents etc, then we have a very serious security breach going on & this investigation was doing the right thing with the raid.
They were the only bank that would finance Trump & this may have allowed the Russians to gain leverage in an indirect way
If any classified docs were off-site & viewed by foreign agents etc, then we have a very serious security breach going on & this investigation was doing the right thing with the raid.
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Well, that and if he did truthfully answer the questions put to him he'd be on the next express train to the nearest state pen.
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The part that prevents a traitor is the "hold any office" part. The electors can legally be anyone who *isn't* holding an office. Xi can be one.
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Even though all of his beautiful answers were perfect? This just tells you how everyone is out to get him.
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The part that would cover the President.
The President holds civil office in the federal government. He is also the head of the military as well.
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Yep, over a period of days/weeks
I think there is a requirement that you can't sell a large amount to prevent market volatility and sales are report on the above forms
Market is back up now for most tech stocks
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WRT Trump, it would be amusing if he were re-elected only to discover that the President can only pardon people for federal crimes, not state ones. (It would be far more a using, and safer, if he were not re-elected.)
Heading back to the main theme of our symposium, it does make sense for Elon to sell shares in Tesla right now. I just hope that after the shareholder vote on September 133, he realizes that the only way out is to pay a substantial penalty and does so. Failing that, I hope that once he takes over Twitter, the folks who keep it running resign en masse, leaving him with nothing but upper management and no way to actually keep the company going.
Heading back to the main theme of our symposium, it does make sense for Elon to sell shares in Tesla right now. I just hope that after the shareholder vote on September 133, he realizes that the only way out is to pay a substantial penalty and does so. Failing that, I hope that once he takes over Twitter, the folks who keep it running resign en masse, leaving him with nothing but upper management and no way to actually keep the company going.
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Section 3 of the 14th amendment also includes the electors in the electoral college in the list of people barred.
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Right, but I don't think anyone is worried about Trump being designated an elector by Florida. And while we have no federal popular vote, states generally do direct, under state law, how their electors have to vote.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_ ... te_Compact
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Thanks to everyone who's helping to clarify this.
I've been looking for my original source regarding this but it's on another site amongst many articles and it may take me quite a while to find it. I believe those of you above are correct and it relates to the sedition business. I'll keep checking as I get a chance.
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I would just highlight that in most of the civilised world this is viewed poorly because we do not elect (outright) criminals to the position of head of state. In places like Afghanistan, Laos or Belarus however there would probably be quite some celebration if the heads of state were to be arrested.
I say this only because there is a world of difference between using the courts as a tool of political oppression and ensuring that all are subject to the rule of law. Politicians engaging in criminal activity without repercussion is also viewed rather poorly by the rest of the civilised world, let alone potentially re-electing said criminals.
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Right now the chances of the Republican party nominating an elector found guilty of a crime at 1/6 seems pretty damn high whether or not Trump is running in 2024.
Edit: Yes it would be really fucking stupid of them to do so. Will they do it? I'd probably give you 10 to 1 odds that at least one elector on the republican slate is an insurrectionist.
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Well, he did lose by margins of 3 million and 7 million votes. If voting counted for anything he would have handily lost both elections, but for that to occur we would have to live in an actual democracy.
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Biden's actually been crushing it but the MSM can't get any ratings from that so they've been going with the doom and gloom to keep ratings up. And he inherited a dumpster fire from Trump.
Keep people scared and riled up to keep'em watching (see Fox News).
Can you imagine Trump standing up to Putin? Ukraine would be completely lost by now.
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Yeah I've never gotten all the doom and gloom about Biden. He's only been president for a year and a half. The administration has handled the Ukraine situation as well as anyone could, IMO. His speech on guns after Uvalde was quite moving. Yeah the fed was a little slow on inflation but at the same time, inflation was an anticipated outcome of the pandemic stimulus started (rightly) under Trump. Now they are trying to land the plane on price stability, without causing a recession, while maintaining record workforce participation, and at the moment it seems to be working - it's a big ship to steer. Yeah, he's old. So what?
Of course a lot of anti-Biden sentiment is just coming from butthurt fascists, morons, and other deplorables (too soon?). ETA: You also hear it from some progressives who will gladly make the perfect the enemy of the good.
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According to some sources, his last campaign wasn’t supposed to be anything more than a cynical grift, either. Sometimes a scam can be more successful than its perpetrator imagines.
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